• merc@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    Bill Clinton: “Violence has no place in America, especially in our political process”

    Bill… c’mon. America is violence’s head cheerleader.

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    Biden is holding everyone hostage here. It’s him or the other worse option. But he is completely responsible for the situation we are in now.

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      2 months ago

      Well, such moments in politics show us that rats do not, in fact, jump the ship first.

      Still two groups of very shady people pitting a senile man (also a pro-Soviet politician in his younger years and probably a crook, but let’s forget this) against a mentally impaired man (who could get a few life sentences were he not that important) look disgusting.

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        I highly doubt that, staging something like this would be an insanely dangerous move, a slight miss from the shooter in such a scenario would be lethal, and given other people at the event seem to have been killed, it seems clear that lethal rounds were used. Trump may be a fan of ridiculous stunts, but he’s also pretty self interested; I do not think he would risk his own life for such a stunt.

        I understand the impulse to not want someone one agrees with politically to have done something like try a political assassination, and then immediately leap to the idea that the notion that the event might help the intended victim’s political chances is just a bit too convenient and therefore must mean they orchestrated it, but it must be remembered that, whatever views one has, or groups one is in, or identities one holds, as long as they are not so obscure as to be shared by only a handful of people, it is statistically likely that there will be people who are on your team or side of group who are willing to do something like this given the chance, just by virtue of such people making up a fraction of the population.

        Trump is hated by a lot of people, myself included and a large fraction of the people likely to be reading this too I’m sure. It is not at all unrealistic to imagine that someone hates him enough to try to kill him.

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            No, but he also does not look suicidal enough to have someone shoot live ammunition right next to his head and trust they make the shot perfectly.

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                The reporting I’ve seen was that someone in the crowd was killed by this, just not Trump himself, that implies that whatever was fired at least was deadly.

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                  Not that I agree with the arguments here either way but… Devil’s advocate.

                  Blanks are not a “safe” round and are deadly. They still fire a regular powder charge and an explosion still leaves the barrel, they just aren’t pushing a bullet ahead of them. They will kill just like a regular round at closer ranges. An attendee dying doesn’t inherently mean that blanks weren’t used. Actual bullets are evidence, but we don’t have concrete info of that sort yet.

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          I highly doubt that, staging something like this would be an insanely dangerous move, a slight miss from the shooter in such a scenario would be lethal, and given other people at the event seem to have been killed, it seems clear that lethal rounds were used. Trump may be a fan of ridiculous stunts, but he’s also pretty self interested; I do not think he would risk his own life for such a stunt.

          He’s mentally impaired from neurosyphilis by now. How can people believe he’s the only person making decisions there?

          If someone else planned this, then him not dying means his popularity rising, him dying means him becoming a martyr and his side’s popularity rising.

          I’m not claiming it happened this way or any specific way.

          Just a very rare event to say something certainly, but this definitely changes the situation for a lot of money, if we express power in money. That means somebody could have made an effort of the same magnitude.

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        Attendees died, and Trump is way too cowardly to fake this with actual ammunition. It’s real

        EDIT: Mind, if you want to say it’s staged to rile up the right who keeps saying shootings are staged, then please, continue

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          Conservatives can call everything fake news and spreading misinformation is suddenly a problem when it happens to their own people? Tiniest violin.

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              “We go high you go low”

              And when they dismantle the government and march people off to internment camps you’ll be able to smile proud and say “at least I didn’t stoop to their level”

              Right?