• SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    There’s a distinction between someone arguing whether or not Isrealis should be allowed to attend the games as part of a decision making process and this kind of statement after the decision has been made.

    Israelis are competing in the Olympics, that decision was made.

    So what does it accomplish when this guy says “Israelis aren’t welcome here”? It’s not influencing government policy, the decision has been made. So who is he trying to influence then? What is he trying to influence them to do?

    For those that don’t know history (or read articles) 11 Israeli athletes were killed in the 1972 Munich Olympics. And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.

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      2 months ago

      Bulldozing settlements for 20 years may do that too, but Israel didn’t care enough about repercussions to stop taking Palestinians land.

      I get your point about the decision being made already, but to say no.criticism.is allowed because of something that happened 50 years ago is simply absurd.

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          Great take, really shows how good you are at defending your opinion. Gonna repeat my previous point, just because someone disagrees with you it doesn’t mean they’re a bot, now go lick more genocidal boots and leave us alone

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            2 months ago

            Don’t worry, SpaceCowboy will ignore everything you said, accuse you of ignoring everything they said and of not displaying critical thought, and justify calling you a bot.

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      2 months ago

      And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.

      Israel is repeating those horrific actions right now.

      And please don’t respond with genocidal denial. I have no desire to read disgusting genocide justification.

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    2 months ago

    If it’s okay to exclude Russians from sport then it’s okay to exclude Israelis.

    If it’s wrong to exclude Israelis then it’s wrong to exclude Russians.

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      2 months ago

      Yup, unfortunately global politics are such bullshit that Zelensky has to support Israel

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        2 months ago

        Sure it’s not the propaganda you’re reading that’s not bullshit?

        There’s a lot of people on the internet that say Zelenskyy is a Nazi. There’s a lot of people that say Netanyahu is a Nazi. What determines what is true and what is false for you? Is it determined solely by what you have the most exposure to on social media?

  • frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.

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      When antisemitism takes root, it is common for many to be in denial of antisemitism.

      Also common to create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to hate to so that those that wouldn’t normally engage in it to be more tolerant of it. In the past it was made acceptable (by you know who!) to hate “Cosmopolitan Jews” so people would tend to look the other way on antisemitism.

      Today it has been made to be acceptable to hate “Zionist Jews.” And now people that hate “Zionist Jews” are denying that antisemitism exists.

      We’ve seen a marked increase in attacks on synagogues and Jewish owned businesses.

      History doesn’t repeat itself, but it certainly does rhyme.

      It never hurts to take some time to do some introspection on the feelings you have towards another ethnic and/or religious group.

      Even if you don’t care for Jews at all and only care about Palestinians, consider how unlikely a movement will be if it’s considered to be antisemitic. Denying antisemitism instead of denouncing it isn’t really helping anyone.

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        Real antisemitism obviously exists, but most of what Israel is currently calling “antisemitism” is just “criticism of the current government of the nation of Israel”.

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          Are Israeli athletes government officials now? Being against Israeli athletes is not the same thing as being against the actions of the Israeli government.

          What is this guy trying to accomplish by saying they aren’t welcome in France? They are there and he’s saying “they aren’t welcome here.” What is his goal?

          Are you aware of what happened in the 1972 Munich Olympics?

          Dude is edging on stochastic terrorism, but sure, he’s the “real victim” because someone criticizes his remarks.

          Can leftists even hear themselves when they talk about Jews? Completely indistinguishable from certain other political groups. Probably how “National Socialism” became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.

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            Can people defending genocide hear how they sound as they defend murdering mostly children in the most gruesome of ways?

            That’s what you are doing.

            Dude is defending an active ongoing genocide, but sure, he’s the real victim because the government he supports (that actively tries to conflate nationality / race / and religion) is murdering children in the hundreds of thousands.

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              I’m saying Israeli athletes are people in a conversation where people are claiming that everything is labeled as antisemitism.

              And now I’m getting labelled as being pro-genocide for doing that.

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                You’re getting labelled pro genocide because you are, as demonstrated by your other comments.

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    I’m downvoting every Israel/Palestine story. I’m just sick of it, from all sides. The posters, the graffiti, speeches in congress, everything. Keep that holy war shit in the holy-war-designated-area please.

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      If you agree with Israel, then they’re being unjustly accused of genocide while they defend themselves. That is something that needs to be talked about.

      If you don’t, then Israel is committing genocide, and that needs to be screamed from the roof tops.

      I mean, fuck SpaceCowboy, cause they’re defending a genocide, but they absolutely should be talking about it, based upon their professed beliefs.