• Pronell@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Until there are some kind of real penalties for submitting unconstitutional legislation, we will not be able to stop these clowns from abusing our state legislatures.

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      I’ve been thinking along the same lines for a while. If I call 911 and submit a knowingly false report, I get charged with a crime. If I submit knowingly false paperwork to the government, I can be charged with a crime or at least infraction and fined.

      But these people we elect who have entire staffs that are for making sure they always have enough information are submitting blatantly unconstitutional laws just to get them passed through a majority congress to be again and again shot down at the judicial level should really face consequences.

      Though I don’t know what that would be without it being used to easily punish political opponents. If there’s a law that does this and gives the judiciary more power, how will it be used when conservatives control those 2 branches?

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        If I call 911 and submit a knowingly false report, I get charged with a crime.

        There’s a long history of lynching and SWATing in America that suggests otherwise.

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      5 months ago

      Until there are some kind of real penalties for submitting unconstitutional legislation

      Who Watches The Watchmen?

      Who gets to decide what constitutes “Unconstitutional Legislation” and dole out the penalties? The courts (stacked with conservatives)? The police (staffed with fascists)? The voters (caged until only the Republicans have a functional majority)?

      At some level, this is a popular movement of the Elect. It isn’t just Ron going off on a limb. He’s got enormous financial and social support from other like minded white supremacists.

      That’s not something you can combat without an organized opposition.

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        Yes, this is the danger of fascism playing with language.

        They aren’t trying to be logical or fair. They aren’t here for debate. They’re here to do what they want to do, period.

        Which is why they also inevitably fall apart, (eventually) they can’t even have that conversation internal to the movement and agree on what it is they want to do.

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          Yes, this is the danger of fascism playing with language.

          It’s more than that. It’s a power dynamic.

          At some point you need a large group of people in positions of power supporting a policy in order to enact it.

          Even reducing this down to liberal v conservative, you’re not going to find a political body favorable to liberals when it is stacked with conservatives.